The Bitchspot Report Podcast #9

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Episode #9:  A Rational Response to an Open Letter

 Show Notes:

 And Now, The News:

Bill O’Reilly says same sex marriage foes are just a bunch of Bible thumpers.

BBC accused of provoking Christians with Mary Magdalene documentary.

Pastor starved his daughter over homework.  My Religious Horror Show page.

North Carolina Republicans push bill for state religion.

The Main Event:  An Open Letter to the Secular Community

American Atheists Posting.

You Believe What?:  Noah’s Flood Part 2

Flood Myths Around the World.

Dr. David McDonald, “The Food: Mesopotamian Archaeological Evidence“, Creation/Evolution Journal XXIII pp. 14-20

To Satyavarman, that sovereign of the whole earth, were born three sons: the eldest Shem; then Sham; and thirdly, Jyapeti by name.

They were all men of good morals, excellent invirtue and virtuous deeds, skilled in the use of weapons to strike with, or to be thrown; brave men, eager for victory in battle.

But Satyavarman, being continually delighted with devout meditation, and seeing his sons fit for dominuion, laid upon them the burdens of government.

Whilst he remained honouring and satisfying the gods, and priests, and kine, one day, by the act of destiny, the king, having drunk mead

Became senseless and lay asleep naked. Then, was he seen by Sham, and by him were his two brothers called:

To whom he said, “What now has befallen? In what state is this our sire?” By these two he was hidden with clothes, and called to his senses again and again.

Having recovered his intellect, and perfectly knowing what had passed, he cursed Sham, saying, “Thou shalt be the servant of servants.”

And since thou wast a laugher in their presence, from laughter thou shalt acquire a name. Then he gave Sham the wide domain on the south of the snowy mountains.

And to Jyapeti he gave all on the north of the snowy mountains; but he, by the power of religious contemplation, attained supreme bliss.

From: Hindu Matsya Purana (Fish Chronicle)

Compare this to:

18 The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham and Japheth. (Ham was the father of Canaan.) 19 These were the three sons of Noah, and from them came the people who were scattered over the whole earth.

20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded[a] to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked.

24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his

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youngest son had done to him, 25 he said,

“Cursed be Canaan!

The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers.”

26 He also said,

“Praise be to the Lord, the God of Shem!
May Canaan be the slave of Shem.
27 May God extend Japheth’s[b] territory;
may Japheth live in the tents of Shem,
and may Canaan be the slave of Japheth.”

From: Genesis 9:18-27 NIV

Come on, the names are even the same!

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6 Responses to The Bitchspot Report Podcast #9

  1. Hausdorff says:

    Great episode. I think these episodes that you do on your own turn out great, although I’m sure they are a ton more work than when you have someone to talk to.

    I liked your analysis in the main event. I have seen a bunch of blog posting about that letter and haven’t read it yet, now I don’t have to, so that’s nice. What struck me is that all of the good points should just be applied broadly. As far as I’m concerned, if they removed “in our community” the statements were just as valid or invalid as they were before. For example, when it says “the purpose of argument within our community is to…” I would rather see it just say “the purpose of argument is to…”

    • Cephus says:

      Yes, it is a ton of work but it’s worth it. Still, I won’t argue when I’ve got a permanent co-host.

      I agree with you and honestly, I think that reading through a lot of the letter, it sounds like they just want people, especially the Atheism+ side, to shut the hell up. I just wish they wouldn’t have opted for diplomacy, I wish they had just come right out and said “shut the fuck up” and been done with it. I hate people who pussyfoot around.

      • Hausdorff says:

        I imagine they equally want the A+ people and the slymepit people to shut up. The thing is, telling them to shut up will never work. Honestly, I think the only course of action is to ignore the whole thing. Exactly like you say you’ve done, stop going to their blogs, stop following them on twitter, stop listening to their podcasts. That’s they idea they should have latched on to. The whole letter should have been about the idea that paying attention to the drama feeds it. “If you are embarrassed by the drama, stop paying attention to it. It’s the only way it will go away”. If they want to have some of those other points as general skeptical good practices, fine. I’d say remove the “in our community” junk and it would be just fine.

        • Cephus says:

          Unfortunately, some people have a bizarre penchant to stare at traffic accidents and that’s all Atheism+ is. I’ve got no problem just walking away if I have no interest in the subject matter, but you have just as many people on the Slymepit side that are dancing around like monkeys, trying to get attention and ad revenue too. I really think this isn’t about issues, it’s about page hits more than anything else.

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